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@  Loganinkosovo : (23 May 2013 - 06:52 PM) @Chris that's spelled "Awesome", not assume..... and "tied up is even better!
@  Admin : (23 May 2013 - 01:22 PM) @Logan, that would be a menage a trois I assume? :rolleyes:
@  Admin : (23 May 2013 - 01:20 PM) Just been kinda tied up with other stuff this past week or so but I'm back now  :D
@  Admin : (23 May 2013 - 01:16 PM) Because I say it's me, it's me OK????
@  supersid : (23 May 2013 - 09:15 AM) How do we know you are Chris?? felt bad ! Did you not ! Mmmmmmmm    B)
@  Loganinkosovo : (22 May 2013 - 08:36 PM) :)
@  Loganinkosovo : (22 May 2013 - 08:21 PM) Manage a ........ uh, never mind.
@  Admin : (22 May 2013 - 04:32 PM) Make that 3  :P  :lol:
@  supersid : (22 May 2013 - 06:56 AM) Logan ! I think everyone has left - it is just the 2 of us :unsure:
@  supersid : (18 May 2013 - 07:22 AM) Is there anybody there ?? Raining for Africa in Cullercoats !!   :wub:
@  Admin : (02 May 2013 - 07:56 PM) Too late! somebody turned the sun on today  :D
@  supersid : (02 May 2013 - 06:23 AM) It will cost you !
@  Admin : (01 May 2013 - 12:21 PM) Swap you for some rain???
@  supersid : (01 May 2013 - 05:47 AM) Good Day All - Sunshining off the Cullercoats shore !     B)
@  Evil Dolly : (29 April 2013 - 04:35 PM) peeks in
@  Admin : (22 April 2013 - 02:05 PM) Seems your leader couldn't give a damn either
@  Slaphappy : (22 April 2013 - 01:07 AM) God bless Texas, more people were injured and killed in that small town explosion than Boston,. funny how the news media picks and chooses whats more important.
@  supersid : (21 April 2013 - 02:11 PM) I am going to Google " Bing "   ;)
@  Admin : (20 April 2013 - 01:20 PM) Let me tell you. How it will be. There's one for you, Nineteen for me..... B)
@  supersid : (20 April 2013 - 12:53 PM) Thats not love - thats extortion  B)

Will E.T. Look Like Us ?


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Posted 11 November 2009 - 04:39 PM



What are the odds that intelligent, technically advanced aliens would look anything like the ones in films, with an emaciated torso and limbs, spindly fingers and a bulbous, bald head with large, almond-shaped eyes? What are the odds that they would even be humanoid? In a YouTube video, produced by Josh Timonen of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, I argue that the chances are close to zero. Richard Dawkins himself made this interesting observation in a private communication after viewing it:

I would agree with [Shermer] in betting against aliens being bipedal primates, and I think the point is worth making, but I think he greatly overestimates the odds against. [University of Cambridge paleontologist] Simon Conway Morris, whose authority is not to be dismissed, thinks it positively likely that aliens would be, in effect, bipedal primates. [Harvard University biologist] Ed Wilson gave at least some time to the speculation that, if it had not been for the end-Cretaceous catastrophe, dinosaurs might have produced something like the attached [referring to paleontologist Dale A. Russell’s illustrated evolutionary projection of how a bipedal dinosaur might have evolved into a reptilian humanoid].

I replied to Dawkins that if something like a smart, technological, bipedal humanoid has a certain level of inevitability because of how evolution unfolds, then it would have happened more than once here. In his 2001 book Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny, Robert Wright argues that our existence precludes other terrestrial intelligences of our level from arising. But Neandertals were as close as one can get to a counterfactual experiment: they had hundreds of thousands of years to themselves in Europe without our interference and showed nothing like the technological and cultural progress of the modern humans who displaced them. Dawkins’s rejoinder to me is enlightening:

But you are leaping from one extreme to the other. In the film vignette, you implied a quite staggering rarity, so rare that you don’t expect two humanoid life-forms in the entire universe. Now you are ... pointing out, correctly, that a certain inevitability would predict that humanoids should have evolved more than once on Earth! So, yes, we can say that humanoids are fairly improbable, but not necessarily all that improbable! Anything approaching “a certain inevitability” would mean millions or even billions of humanoid life-forms in the universe, simply because the number of available planets is so huge. Now, my guess is intermediate between your two extremes ... I suspect that humanoids are not so very rare as to justify the statistical superlatives that you permitted yourself in the vignette.

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